Posts by Anna Marina

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Looking back I have to give a BIG THANKS to this website. Thanks Simon for giving a platform for exjw's and jw's

by goingthruthemotions in

i was thinking a couple of days ago about how super brainwashed my wife is and how she will never see the light of how bad this cult is and how much damage it has done to our marriage.

then i got to thinking.....i have been long out, as long i was in and it has gone by fast.

i got involved in march of 08' and left nov 13'.

Anna Marina

GoingThruTheMotions - Casually ask her if she knows how long King Jehoiachin of Judah ruled for.

Answer is 3 months 10 days.

Then ask her if she thinks the scripture below is talking about the 8th year of King Jehoiachin or the 8th year of Nebuchadnezzar.

(2 Kings 24:12) . . .At length Je‧hoi′a‧chin the king of Judah went out to the king of Babylon, he with his mother and his servants and his princes and his court officials; and the king of Babylon got to take him in the eighth year of his being king. . .

If she starts to reason with you on this you are potentially only 6 scriptures away from getting her out. Or at least getting her to annoy the elders with questions they can't answer. Hey you might even get the elders out.

If you want further info please see the website I put up to prove that the GB are apostates. This is the explanation page:

Explanation - Request to GB for two missing timelines

This is the Seven Key Scriptures page:

The Seven Key Scriptures that Destroy the 1914 Doctrine

I hope to put up a clearer explanation at some point, meantime this is the best I can offer.

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Truth vs Myth- how to spot the difference

by joey jojo in

myth:.

speculation... .

expectation... .

Anna Marina

Truth - time, location, names (things ordinary people can check and understand - ie you don't need a degree).

Fiction - a long, long time ago, somewhere you've never heard of, an unnamed friend of a friend.

Fiction - liberal use of double negatives - ideally try to get 5 in one sentence so that everyone's head goes funny trying to work it out.

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Vera de Saint Croix

by Anna Marina in

anyone heard of vera de saint croix?

if fred franz had got married she would have been the one he would have married.

she wasn't his girlfriend but she was a very special lady to him.. that's all i know.

Anna Marina

Oh Waton, never thought she might have passed through Gilead but could be.

Diogenester, I don't know much but I can tell you how I heard about Vera. I used to work regularly with 2 special pioneers. Both of the special pioneers were widows and used to be based near London.

At some point, Vera De Saint Croix visited London and because she was SO special, the two special pioneers were asked to look after her. I think they took her around London and showed her places of interest.

If Fred Franz' library was in America (which I assume it was), these two special pioneers must have later visited America because one of them was delighted to have ended up in Fred Franz's library due to this connection with Vera De St Croix. Fred Franz was not in his library, so she didn't get to meet him.

I never told the special pioneer sister who told me all this that I was emailing his nephew Ray Franz. I should have asked Ray about Vera shouldn't I! But I was too busy discussing 1914 with him and when I told the special pioneer sister that I was trying to learn Hebrew, she told me off and said I ought to do something useful like learn Chinese. She would have laid into me even more if I had told her I was in touch with Ray Franz.

Now she wont talk to me but that's because I've been disfellowshipped... for being able to count and read.

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Vera de Saint Croix

by Anna Marina in

anyone heard of vera de saint croix?

if fred franz had got married she would have been the one he would have married.

she wasn't his girlfriend but she was a very special lady to him.. that's all i know.

Anna Marina

Anyone heard of Vera de Saint Croix? If Fred Franz had got married she would have been the one he would have married. She wasn't his girlfriend but she was a very special lady to him.

That's all I know. Has anyone else heard of her?

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2 Requests: 2019 October German Elders Manual--2017 Watchtower Scan of Elderly Sister!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

two requests we received for:.

https://docdro.id/gyjzpiz.

elderly sister looking in her refrigerator with almost nothing to eat, yet still contributes to contribution box.. .

Anna Marina

LongHairGal - Yes, children plus some - all to no avail so far.

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Cart Witnessing....They deserve the same ''cold shoulder''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

here is a man named jerry.

on a public sidewalk, he asks attendees leaving a jehovah's witness convention in san diego a simple question, ''do jehovah's witnesses have the truth.

not one person acknowledges him.

Anna Marina

If street art is legal where you live, you could always write something thought provoking on the spot where they are going to park their sandwich board on wheels.

How about about, "30 minutes in a coffee house is worth 2 hours standing beside a trolley - make it your goal today."

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2 Requests: 2019 October German Elders Manual--2017 Watchtower Scan of Elderly Sister!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

two requests we received for:.

https://docdro.id/gyjzpiz.

elderly sister looking in her refrigerator with almost nothing to eat, yet still contributes to contribution box.. .

Anna Marina

You were wise Sigfrid.

This sort of pressure can put strains on your health. When the KH of my ex-cong (I got throw out) was being rennovated, one of the brothers taking the lead was so harsh he was nick-name Pharaoh.

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2 Requests: 2019 October German Elders Manual--2017 Watchtower Scan of Elderly Sister!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

two requests we received for:.

https://docdro.id/gyjzpiz.

elderly sister looking in her refrigerator with almost nothing to eat, yet still contributes to contribution box.. .

Anna Marina

Hi Petra

No there is no low.

I may have mentioned this here before, but one very loyal sister put an extra 0 on a cheque by mistake. Money was immediately taken out of her account but actually she needed that money. A request was promptly made for the money to be returned. She's still waiting for the money. Meantime this one who is in her 90s has been feeling suicidal because of this. I believe it is well over a year since the money was taken. For a Christian, it would be reflex to return the money, or even to never have taken it without carefully checking whether it was in her best interests to donate such a large amount.

Day of future passed

Yes it is elder abuse. Love of money is the root of all evil and by actions like this the Watchtower show whose side they are really on.

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2 Requests: 2019 October German Elders Manual--2017 Watchtower Scan of Elderly Sister!

by Atlantis in

jw
friends

two requests we received for:.

https://docdro.id/gyjzpiz.

elderly sister looking in her refrigerator with almost nothing to eat, yet still contributes to contribution box.. .

Anna Marina

I remember that 2017 Watchtower. Here are missing speech bubbles for the bottom images.

Younger sister to the elderly one, "I'm sat here because I pulled the short straw."

Elder to the woman with wayward children, "they've gone. Now, rewrite your will and leave it all the to the Society."

Elderly woman putting money in box, "this is the last time I do this, it doesn't feel right."

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"Get Over It!"

by The Bethelite in

jw
friends

this is what my children tell me... get over the whole jehovah's witness thing!

yes, they tell me they have gotten over the whole thing and they tell me that and i need to also.

my exgirl friend who was raised as a jw also has said the same thing.. my children say they got over it, however they are quick to point out how messed up their lives are now because of no college education and other missed opportunities.

Anna Marina

The breach of trust is massive. I feel its a public safety issue which others need to know about. Why? So they have a chance to stay free and not be harmed by it. The Watchtower is not the only one that uses psychological/sociological/spin techniques to entrap others.

Ray Franz did what he could and although it took time for me to find him and others like him, I appreciate that someone somewhere was trying to reach out.

We all do what we can. The Bethelite - at least your children have been given a chance to think for themselves.